Tank slapper advice

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Post by Sherpa »

Yep that's it.

It's an uphill left hander as you head north on the A97. Think it's the 3rd bend after you've exited the village.

You'll know when you've been round it coz there'll be a mess in your pants.

Actually my TT600 wasn't too bad round it and neither was the Gay Blade once the suspension was set up. Had a few dodgy moments on other bikes but none worse than my old GPz900R - both feet off the pegs and flapping like a rag doll for 100yds :eek
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Post by The Rossi Kid »

Bothers different bikes in different ways, was following Metallninja's cousin last May and thought he'd had a blow out cos it took forever to settle yet i was on pretty much the same line. He was on CBR600F canna mind the year and I was on a SV1000SZ 2005.
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Post by al »

Still Can't place it. Does it only affect you going in one direction because I'm not sure if I've ever ridden that stretch of road South to North?

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Post by IZINBARD »

Yep south to north will get you onto it, you would have to be on the wrong side of the road on a fairly blind corner going down hill to get at it from a north south direction.

The corner is uphill left hander with ripples on the inside where big trucks have had their nearside rear wheels bouncing while going round the corner. (Harmonic type thing)

It only really shows up if you are accelerating fairly hard as well as being fairly close to the left hand verge.
The front has to be light when it hits the ripples, then its :eek :boing :??? :oops funny smell
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Post by Gazza »

I've had a slapper there despite having a damper. I had raised the rear end which probably didn't help....

(Now read that without thinking about bikes. :I can't believe it's not butter! )


Would still advise the damper though. Could've been on my arse without it.
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Post by Sherpa »

Yeah you have to be accelerating as Izz says so then the front will be light and the uphill-ness accentuates the problem.

You won't have any problem on the downhill right hander.

Coz I used to live about 2.5 miles away I went round that bend all the time. A good test of how good your front end is.
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had a few on the gixer but i just keep it nailed and it dissappears as quick as it came...... now the wifes YZFR6 .... now thats a twitchy son of a bitch when its getting pushed (well as pushed as u can on a yamahahaha) !!!!!!!! nearly pooped masel a couple of times on that fecker.............. ;)
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Post by al »

Sherpa wrote: A good test of how good your front end is.
And your rear end from what I'm hearing!!! :I can't believe it's not butter!
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Post by dedpidgin2 »

First time I went around that corner I was certain I was coming off... you can see through the bend and I was giving it large looking well beyond the actual corner itself. I remember having a moment of clarity when I was thinking "okay, you're coming off, but there's nothing coming the other way and that's good as you're going to slide up the other side of the road" - I was off onto the grass verge doing goodness knows what speed before I knew what had happened. I'd never had a steering damper until then but bought one VERY soon after! It's a great corner to test your setup, once you're aware of it.
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Post by IZINBARD »

Either the second last or corner (left) or the last corner (right) going up the steep part of the Leight from donside has the same sort of ripple on it though the all year sand usually keeps the speed down.
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Post by Graeme »

Having personal experience of this I feel obliged to put in my 2p worth:

I once had a nasty off caused by a lock-to-lock tankslapper on my CBR 600 (no damper) triggered by an 'almost' highside. The thing I remember most is that it seemed to go on forever before I eventually parted company with the bike whilst still travelling at speed. Luckily the only damage was concussion, a sprained shoulder and a chunk out my wrist, and cosmetic damage to the bike. At the time I was still green behind the ears and did all the wrong things - put all my weight on the front, tried to wrestle with the bars etc. It got so bad just before I was ejected my vision was blurred because I was being thrown around like a ragdoll - I could hardly see a thing and thought I was going to be shaken apart :eek

As is often the case with riding a bike, the instinctive reaction usually just makes things worse. Trying to stop a tankslapper by brute farce is pointless - the gyroscopic forces involved will break your wrists first. At the same time rigidity means your entire body will start to act like a pendulum, amplifying the headshake and generally making things worse.

Someone said there isn't a lot you can do but that is not the case, otherwise in bike racing no-one would ever cross the finish line. Just watch the TT guys! As already mentioned the correct way to end a tankslapper is to sit back in the seat taking the weight off the front, and accelerate - as soon as the weight is off the front wheel it will correct itself. Everyone always tries to find a cure by looking for that elusive perfect suspension setting, or expensive aftermarket parts rather than understanding what caused the problem and knowing how to correct it.

That said I would still recommend a damper - my gixxer often gets the wobbles under acceleration as will any bike with a sharp steering angle, but the stock Suzuki damper (which isn't particularly stiff at low speeds) is more than sufficient to keep things under control.

Keep it shiny side up ;)
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