yoke woes

BuzzOff · Post by **BuzzOff** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:59 pm

Personally, on the road, I prefer a litre-class bike to a 600 'coz you don't have to change gear as much. It's not laziness - it's just less hassle.

I've done overtakes on bigger bikes I probably wouldn't have contemplated on smaller ones but maybe that's just confidence in the machine.

ANY bike is fun - I've had great fun on scooters and clapped out 125s even after being spoiled on top end superbikes. I prefer a 600 on the track 'coz it's less intimidating and I'm not good enough to get the best out of a GSXR1000.

Bottom line, all bikes are good fun. Stop whingeing about it and just get out and ride them.

silverburn · Post by **silverburn** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:11 pm

I would but my yokes are bent... :I can't believe it's not butter!

Speaking of riding - have you noticed that now the sun is lower in the sky on the ride home from work (I go into in the morning, and back into in the evening -

) - all the car drivers have stopped using their indicators and started pulling really 'wide' overtakes? Was on the horn 3 times in 9 miles this evening...

BuzzOff · Post by **BuzzOff** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:23 pm

When did the car drivers START using their indicators?

Yeah, when you live West of where you work it's a pain isn't it?

I think this thread started out with something about bent yokes or forks didn't it?

Post by **Zathos** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:12 pm

Buzz wrote:Personally, on the road, I prefer a litre-class bike to a 600 'coz you don't have to change gear as much. It's not laziness - it's just less hassle.

I've done overtakes on bigger bikes I probably wouldn't have contemplated on smaller ones but maybe that's just confidence in the machine.

ANY bike is fun - I've had great fun on scooters and clapped out 125s even after being spoiled on top end superbikes. I prefer a 600 on the track 'coz it's less intimidating and I'm not good enough to get the best out of a GSXR1000.

Bottom line, all bikes are good fun. Stop whingeing about it and just get out and ride them.

Well said Buzz...it don't matter so long as you ride

P.S. if you want to make the 'small' overtakes on a 600 you've got to be ready, I.e. screaming the nuts off it. (Personally, it's the only way to ride)

BuzzOff · Post by **BuzzOff** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:25 pm

Well it's the only way to ride if you've got a 600 Bazza!

Mind you, it would be interesting to see how much performance difference there is between yours - a state of the art 2003 600 and mine, a '99 model 900 which is really a 6 year old design? I reckon the gap wouldn't be much.

Shrek · Post by **Shrek** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:49 pm

Buzz wrote:
I've done overtakes on bigger bikes I probably wouldn't have contemplated on smaller ones

We "contemplated" Quite a few on sunday eh Zathos?

Post by **Zathos** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:43 am

Shrek (formaly known as scotty) wrote:
Buzz wrote:
I've done overtakes on bigger bikes I probably wouldn't have contemplated on smaller ones

We "contemplated" Quite a few on sunday eh Zathos?

I had it nailed....and you followed me

We still had room to spare though

Post by **Zathos** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:45 am

Buzz wrote:Mind you, it would be interesting to see how much performance difference there is between yours - a state of the art 2003 600 and mine, a '99 model 900 which is really a 6 year old design? I reckon the gap wouldn't be much.

....Interesting, very interesting Mr Buzz (cue hand stroking white cat)

Backs 400 · Post by **Backs 400** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:52 am

I got these figures from a dyno testers page in the states..not sure if they relate to UK models, but I found it interesting "yawn"

CBR900RR, 116BHP, 163mph top speed,
CBR600F-X (99 model), 110 BHP, 166mph top speed (I believe the F4i is down on bhp but up on speed)
VTR 1000, 108BHP, 154 mph top speed
ZX7R, 120BHP, 162mph
ZX6R (not sure of year) 106BHP, 169mph
996 SPS 123BHP, 165 mph
MV F4 126BHP, 175mph
SV 650S, 69 BHP, 121 mph
GSXR600, 104 BHP, 163 mph
955i Daytona, 128 BHP, 161 mph
GSXR750 (latest model), 140BHP, no top speed for some reason
CBR 600 RR 112 BHP, again no top speed.
RSV Mille Sp, 135 BHP, 175 mph

What does all this prove? Nowt really

, just interesting reading if you want to know what your bike is "meant" to be able to do...

silverburn · Post by **silverburn** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:14 am

Zathos wrote:
Buzz wrote:Mind you, it would be interesting to see how much performance difference there is between yours - a state of the art 2003 600 and mine, a '99 model 900 which is really a 6 year old design? I reckon the gap wouldn't be much.
....Interesting, very interesting Mr Buzz (cue hand stroking white cat)

Interesting indeed...here's another one that's actually been 'road tested' - 2year old 1st generation R1 vs 2, nearly new YZFR6's with Race systems.

At a track day once (Snetterton) - I had spent the last Intermediate session (A few years ago now) 'racing' another guy in his YZFR6, and ripping round we were. No holds barred, having a great laugh. Overtaking R1's and the like - inside, outside - it was all fair game (no risky moves though). Knee sliders took a pounding that day.

Riding home later on an very empty motorway, only to be caught by one of the R1 jockey's we'd been showing a clean pair of heels to earlier. He had obviously taken offence at being repeatedly overtaking by two loonies on YZFR6's, and made to burn us off.

He made the mistake of not dropping a cog or two, and instead just rolled on the throttle; plently time for a couple of YZFR6 boyz to drop a gear or two and slide into the slipstream. 30 seconds later, the 2 YZFR6's are buzzing on the limiters at 171mph, being towed along by the R1, 10ft from the rear wheel. A few minutes later we peeled off for fuel, but were never dropped by the R1. The smell of cooked metal was something else when we stopped...

Given the R1 slipstream had eased the workload of the YZFR6 by around 20%,and it was all just straight line - does this still count as a moral victory for the YZFR6's? It certainly wasn't a victory for common sense or self preservation, but it's still a good memory to have...

BuzzOff · Post by **BuzzOff** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:14 am

You should really get out a bit more Backs.

Even bikes of the same type are different in power outputs. People use to go on about "good" and "bad" R1s with 15bhp difference.
On the European Superbike School my instructor pointed out that my TT600 was noticeably faster on the straights than his. I replied that this was OK 'coz his one appeared much quicker round the corners!

Irrespective of peak power/top speed I guess bigger bikes make the power a bit easier so you don't thrash them as much for the same return.

Another point - how come Shrek's avatar appears bigger then everybody else's? Or is it an optical illusion?

PS I've just noticed Back's one is bigger too.

BuzzOff · Post by **BuzzOff** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:19 am

Silverburn wrote

It certainly wasn't a victory for common sense or self preservation, but it's still a good memory to have...

It was a victory for free will - you couldn't not have tried it could you?

silverburn · Post by **silverburn** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:26 am

Buzz wrote:Another point - how come Shrek (formaly known as scotty)'s avatar appears bigger then everybody else's? Or is it an optical illusion?

PS I've just noticed Back's one is bigger too.

You know what the girl's say - it always looks bigger from the side...

Backs 400 · Post by **Backs 400** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:25 am

Buzz,
only posted the figures as the question was asked about performance.

I believe the FirePlace can have as much as 12-14 bhp difference on the same models :)..and upon taking delivery of my car, the salesman said to thrash it from new as this would give me a loser, more powerful engine than a car that had been run in properly :I can't believe it's not butter! ..but only if I did not intend keeping it

Post by **Gazza** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:36 pm

Backs 400 wrote:upon taking delivery of my car, the salesman said to thrash it from new as this would give me a loser,

Well a Volvo's certainly a loser. No doubt about that! :I can't believe it's not butter!

As for all you fat bar-stewards.....

For every extra 5 kg body weight you lose just under 2% of your power to weight ratio

A 100 kg rider has almost 10% less power than a 75 kg rider on a typical sports bike.

Never mind the horsepower get out the celery. :I can't believe it's not butter!

Backs 400 · Post by **Backs 400** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:57 pm

Gazza wrote: A 100 kg rider has almost 10% less power than a 75 kg rider on a typical sports bike.

Never mind the horsepower get out the celery. :I can't believe it's not butter!

Hence the reason why I dont need a big bike

..my leathers weigh more than me!

yelloisfriedegg · Post by **yelloisfriedegg** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:04 pm

Backs 400 wrote:
Gazza wrote: A 100 kg rider has almost 10% less power than a 75 kg rider on a typical sports bike.

Never mind the horsepower get out the celery. :I can't believe it's not butter!

Hence the reason why I dont need a big bike ..my leathers weigh more than me!

so what is your excuse for being so slow then :I can't believe it's not butter!

Post by **Gazza** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:24 pm

yelloisfriedegg wrote:
so what is your excuse for being so slow then :I can't believe it's not butter!

As you should well know old boy

, our elderly brains can't compute any faster than a speeding bullock these days. :I can't believe it's not butter!

yelloisfriedegg · Post by **yelloisfriedegg** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:33 pm

Sorry matey , that was aimed at superknobacks :I can't believe it's not butter! ......and who are you calling old , does Maddonna look past being worth a shag then ? me and her went to different schools together as well you know :I can't believe it's not butter!

When are you gonna take your patched up antique bike out and see how it fares against it's..........replacement :I can't believe it's not butter!

Post by **Gazza** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:41 pm

yelloisfriedegg wrote:Sorry matey , that was aimed at superknobacks :I can't believe it's not butter! ......and who are you calling old , does Maddonna look past being worth a shag then ? me and her went to different schools together as well you know :I can't believe it's not butter!

When are you gonna take your patched up antique bike out and see how it fares against it's..........replacement :I can't believe it's not butter!

Still waiting on a new screen. Shouldn't be long. Then mine will be up to it's full 183 kgs. Don't want to take too much advantage of all that excess weight the 999 carries.

missile · Post by **missile** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:01 pm

[quote="Buzz"]You should really get out a bit more Backs.
Even bikes of the same type are different in power outputs. quote]

and specs in the USA are nothing like UK

yelloisfriedegg · Post by **yelloisfriedegg** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 3:08 pm

[quote="GazzaStill waiting on a new screen. Shouldn't be long. Then mine will be up to it's full 183 kgs. Don't want to take too much advantage of all that excess weight the 999 carries.

[/quote]

Are you calling me fat baldie ? :I can't believe it's not butter!

BuzzOff · Post by **BuzzOff** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:06 pm

Gazza wrote

A 100 kg rider has almost 10% less power than a 75 kg rider on a typical sports bike

Shows what a total hero David Jefferies was doesn't it.

I like to model myself on DJ - sizewise not riding ability. That's why I need a 'Gay Blade - to lug that 100kgs around and keep up with the 600s.

Post by **Gazza** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:23 pm

yelloisfriedegg wrote:Are you calling me fat baldie ? :I can't believe it's not butter!

I was actually suggesting the 999 is fat (198 kg according to the book, although the two cats probably made up for a lot of that).

But.... Now that you mention it........ Yeah, fat and bald!

:I can't believe it's not butter!

Post by **Zathos** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:15 pm

Buzz wrote:Gazza wrote

A 100 kg rider has almost 10% less power than a 75 kg rider on a typical sports bike
Shows what a total hero David Jefferies was doesn't it.

I like to model myself on DJ - sizewise not riding ability. That's why I need a 'Gay Blade - to lug that 100kgs around and keep up with the 600s.

I'm fat and I ride a 600....loads of excuses for being slow