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[haiax0]

Having issues with my bike this afternoon (starting related) I have had to leave my bike at my work place and make an alternative way home.

I thought I'd call round the various garages for assistance (based on the fact that I could get the bike to them)

Shirlaws told me they wouldn't look at it at all within the next four weeks and Ecosse asked me what make the bike was... and on saying its a triumph triple they said they wouldn't look at it full stop. (As clear cut as that)

So despite my reliance on the motorbike (which was delicately explained to both garages) I was told they couldn't help me... Unless I booked it to Shirlaws to be looked at in September.

Tried various 101 tests that I won't bore you with - hopefully I can get to the bottom of it... Reinforces my negative opinions on the two major bike garages in Aberdeen!!!

[Tonster]

You tried Albamoto?

[haiax0]

Yeah first port of call.. but Jim is on Holliday for 2 weeks! And Neil from Craigston tyres is also on Holliday!

Got the bike tonight and at best guess its the Imobiliser playing up as the bike starts when it wants to.. usually after banging it in second gear, lifting the kick stand and wiggling the bike about... Sigh... no ryme or reason.

Any one know some one worth there weight to help me sort this out ASAP!??

Bike is main transport for work! :-(

[Yarek]

Might this be the regulator/rectifier issue? If so it should be a warranty job and Shirlaws should sort their poo out and get on it.

[haiax0]

Wouldnt rule that out but lights seem to be on and no dipping - volt current suggest a healthy flow..

Bike is 100% fine when booted up (If i can get it going) i.e. doesnt cut out when in motion and doesnt skip a beat.

Need to have some kind of profesional look at it... but who is that if it isnt Albamoto, Craigston Tyres, Shirlaws, Ecosse?

Is Johny Savedra still on the go?

Any other suggestions are welcome as i really need this sorted asap!

[MrT]

Could it be a dodgy side stand switch?

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[haiax0]

Could it be a dodgy side stand switch?

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It picks and chooses... It will start in various scenarios and then won’t repeat when tried again...

Test one - Bike in confirmed neutral, immobiliser disengaged, ignition on, go button = no sound
Test two - (repeat test one) this time trying the kill switch on and off and associated cables.
Test three - Repeat test one and two with the side stand off (still in neutral)
Test four - Repeat all tests but with bike in gear.
Test six - use jump start kit and test battery volts / visible fuses.
Test seven - All off the above but wiggling the bike about and it might start no bother...

Let it run to temp for 15 minutes, turn it off again... try start again…just silence..

Note: NO noticable difference in headlights and dipped beam - Both operate as they should / all indicators fire as they should - All speedo panels read and iluminate as they should. The immobiliser is working as it blinks the indicators once for unlocked and two times for armed etc...

So possibilities I think are limited to:

. Kill switch
. Battery
. Regulator
. Immobiliser
(Late 2008 Triumph Street triple with 6k on clock)

Just don’t have the knowledge to diagnose further

Late 2008 Triumph Street triple with 6k on clock..

[al]

Does the bike have a lean sensor? (it prevents the engine running on in the event the bike falls over).

[al]

Is the imobiliser the factory accessory one?

[haiax0]

Not sure of a lean sensor Will have to research I assume that’s fitted to one an all factory bikes if it has one.

Otherwise the immobiliser is an oxford key fob job...Fitted by a garage with certificate (a garage down south not under my ownership)

[al]

Not sure of a lean sensor Will have to research I assume that’s fitted to one an all factory bikes if it has one.

Otherwise the immobiliser is an oxford key fob job...Fitted by a garage with certificate (a garage down south not under my ownership)

Does your insurance require that the imobiliser is working?

[haiax0]

Not sure of a lean sensor Will have to research I assume that’s fitted to one an all factory bikes if it has one.

Otherwise the immobiliser is an oxford key fob job...Fitted by a garage with certificate (a garage down south not under my ownership)

Does your insurance require that the imobiliser is working?

No, I dont declare it.

[al]

[quote="Big Kneed Big Kneed Al (master of the emergency stop & "stand up" comedian) (master of the emergency stop & "stand up" comedian)"]
Does your insurance require that the imobiliser is working?

No, I dont declare it.[/quote]
If the bit comes to the bit I can assist in removing it.

[haiax0]

Thanks dude,

My only reservation with the snip is I would want to rule out that it was definitely at fault.. (Would hate to cut it and still have the issue)

I am not confident enough to fully diagnose it to the immobiliser.

[haiax0]

OK so with Craigston Tyres on holiday and not specialising in Electrical fault finding... Eccosse apparently not taking in Triumphs, Alba Moto on holiday for the next 2 weeks. And a Shirlaw’s booking not until the 2nd of OCTOBER!!

I have been unable to contact John Sevedra (rapture motorcycles Inverurie) unless he is using a new mobile number?

I’m royally pickled to get the bike going...

I don’t know who to turn too? Any suggestions people??

The Triumph Street Triple does not have a lean sensor, And if there was a side stand fault / kill switch fault the computer (main clock) will report back a fault during the starting diagnostic and show a warning) to which it does not so I am inclined to think they are healthy and it is an imobiliser fault.)

I can only think it’s the immobiliser but need someone to verify this before its ripped out in anger.

Appreciate any suggestions - I have done all I am mechanicaly comfortable doing with the bike and really need to seek some more advice some one more comfortable.

Many thanks - (any suggestions welcomed, Any ones time will be compensated)

[bob r6]

tried kirkhill autos they do cars but you never know?

[haiax0]

tried kirkhill autos they do cars but you never know?

they wont do motorbikes.. Station garage kintore might but not sure of there electrical skills.. same with Colins in dyce.

[The Rossi Kid]

I've heard Colin who used to be Head Mech at Shirlaws is setting up a shop up in Keith or does anyone know if Milnes in Alford is back up and running?

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[al]

Wiring Diagram for Street Triple:-

Street-Triple.jpeg

Key:-

Street-Triple_key.jpeg

The "tilt/lean" sensor is item 15.

Is the imobiliser connected to the bike via plug "40" or is it hard wired in? If the loop back connector is still in place at position 40 it might be worth checking the integrity of the wires in the plug for any sign of corrosion.

My TT600 left me stranded once and it was the wires on the alarm side of the Datatool alarm that had corroded. Salt water had been drawn up the wire insulators by capillary effect and corroded the copper.

Big Kneed Al (master of the emergency stop & "stand up" comedian).

[al]

Picture of loop-back connector in alarm socket:-

Copy of loom.JPG

[haiax0]

Forgive the poor Crayola diagram - I am not with the bike at present... This is meant to simulate the bike with the seat removed.

I believe the alarm accessory plug is being used by the immobiliser and not hard wired (I cant be sure though) the immobiliser, I believe is a box sitting behind the battery towards the rear of the bike (it is unmarked so I can only assume it is the immobiliser)

But I’m really not sure what I’m looking at.



If the alarm accessory connector is indeed being used, I have disconected it an checked it and its shiny new and greased..

[al]

This table lists the pins on the connector:-

Triumph alarm wiring.htm 5122009 123200 AM.bmp.jpg

Looks like linking pins 1&2 together and 3&5 will essentially bypass the immobiliser circuits.

The pinouts for the connector are shown in the following diagram:-
http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.co ... 02e469.pdf

If you want to make your own "loop back" connector you can get a connector from RS - http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pcb-conne ... 4E4F4E4526

Big Kneed Al (master of the emergency stop & "stand up" comedian).

[Gazza]

I would try bypassing the sidestand switch.

I usually disable mine anyway as they frequently end up getting full of crud and playing up.

[haiax0]

Many thanks, This all looks like fantastic information but I cant make head nor tail of it im afraid..

My sparkie skills are pretty much at zero.

[haiax0]

Main overview



Little black box at the back of battery is the immobiliser I'm thinking



I'm assuming 2 fuses, one diagnostic port, one accessory port, one wiring loom manifold thing...